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Rob H.

Folks might be interested in how the conversation went last year related to Senate Bill 22 (if so check out http://teacherblog.typepad.com/newteacher/2007/01/legislative_ale.html
- archived here).

Stephanie Hodge

As an education student, I have a serious issue with Senate Bill 22. I want to first say that it is not that I think college TAs or secondary level tutors do not know a thing about teaching, but I do not believe that someone can understand the complexities of teaching adolescents without the courses a school of education provides. At the very least classes in educational psychology, theories of education, and pedagogy are vital to teacher education. What Senate Bill 22 will bring in to schools is not necessarily what schools need. Of course there is a need for teachers, but Indiana's children need and deserve teachers educated in content and pedagogy, not just content. Not everyone is meant to be a teacher; it is a passion for teaching combined with a love for content and children that makes someone a candidate for becoming a teacher. Therefore, the teacher must be educated as such, not simply as a scientist, mathematician, or historian. If we want to get more teachers into schools, let's look at salary increases and more affordable college, not cutting teacher education out of licensure/certification requirements.

Shannon Huckstep

In several of our education classes, we have heard statistics about the retention rates of non-teaching professionals that transition to teaching being much lower than the retention rates of teachers who go through a school of education program. (I think we could make some quality-of-teacher comparisons, too, but of course there would always be some exceptions to this.) What puzzles me about SB 0022 is that the bill is making it easier to license teachers that statistically won’t be around as long as those that go through a school of education program. Why are we not making it easier for teachers to successfully get through a school of education program? They will be around longer than those that don’t, and I would even argue that they will be better teachers because they will be better equipped to do their job. I don’t intend to devalue content in this discussion. However, content alone doesn’t cut it. As a student in a school of education, I cannot imagine going into a classroom without a knowledge and understanding of pedagogy, methodology, and how students learn. That information is critical to success and, according to the statistics, teacher retention!

Rick Phillips

The pros and cons of senate bill 22 are perplexing. It is obviously beneficial, according to statistics regarding teacher retention rates, to hire teachers who have received a degree from a professional school of education. However there are individuals who do have a passion for teaching, a love for content, and an understanding of adolescents without receiving an education in pedagogy. Some people have an instinct for working with children, and do not require additional schooling to learn educational theory; they innately understand children. I’m not arguing that pedagogy education is worthless; however I am arguing that the requirements to become certified are off-putting to a professional who already holds an undergraduate or graduate degree.

On the other hand such a bill is infuriating as an education student. The time invested into becoming a teacher seems worthless if any degree holder can freely become licensed. If that becomes the case, what is the incentive for students to attend a school of education? Why not pursue another degree (for example in business) and then become a teacher? This mentality would keep options open for the student while at the same time allowing them to experiment with teaching. Simply put, this is degrading to teacher education programs and the teaching profession in general. Of course, the only people who would actually share this view are educators, school of education students, and others devoted to effective teaching…not politicians.

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Lonni Gill

I agree with your comments Stephanie, but am curious about what you mean "Why are we not making it easier for teachers to successfully get through a school of education program?"

Stephanie Hodge

Lonni,
Actually Shannon asked "Why are we not making it easier for teacher to successfully get through a school of education program?" I can't comment on what she may have meant by that, but I would say that a school of education shouldn't be easier to get through, but maybe it could be more affordable, or perhaps more straightforward. Currently the program we are in has a lot of overlap from class to class and block to block.
Also, there are professors that contradict eachother. There will sometimes be two of the exact same courses taught by different professors teaching radically different information.
Bottom line: Teacher education programs, as all college programs, can be streamlined into a more straightforward (possibly shorter) curriculum. And, it could be more affordable.

Shannon Huckstep

To add what Stephanie said, I was referencing the cost of higher education and the opportunity cost of time spent getting a degree in a four year program. If the State is going to make it easier to become a licensed teacher without going through a School of Education program, what is the incentive to complete a degree in a School of Education? Why not get a degree in something else and then transition to teaching later like Rick was suggesting? At least you would have more options if you could not find a teaching job. (Social Studies Education anyone?)

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